Ask Lucas: Wisconsin at Michigan
Mike Lucas
9/27/2008
The Capital Times
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The University of Wisconsin football team watched a 19-0 halftime lead vanish, a last-minute comeback bid come up two points short and a 27-25 loss to Michigan dampen not only its spirits, but those of its fans.

After the game, Capital Time columnist and Badger Radio Network color commentator Mike Lucas answered questions about the game via telephone from Ann Arbor with the Wisconsin State Journal's Rob Hernandez acting as moderator.

Q. If you're the Badgers, Mike, what hurts most about this loss? And e-mailer Brady would like to know who gets the blame for this collapse?

A. Well, the most obvious thing is you blew a 19-point lead, on the road, in "The Big House." You are just so unaccustomed, from a Wisconsin perspective, to be in that position and you've got to find a way to close it out -- and they couldn't.

We saw signs of this type of play in the second half against Fresno State, where the offense just sputtered and did very little and allowed Fresno to get back in the ballgame. Now Fresno didn't have as many playmakers maybe or didn't make as many plays and Wisconsin was able to escape with that win, but they couldn't get out today, largely because the offense did so very little right up until the final two possessions of the game itself.

I think you saw a very tired, weary and, maybe, frustrated defense on the field throughout the fourth quarter (for the Badgers).

Q. Mike, in a nutshell, what went wrong?

A. Again, offensively, you've got to find a way to pick up some first downs, to use some clock and to find a way to take advantage of that lead. They didn't do it.

They had some errant throws mixed with some drops. It was critical. Those type of mistakes you just can't afford to make against Big Ten opposition, regardless of what people think of Michigan.

You got the feeling after that long drive, their first scoring drive -- I think it was 14 plays, 80 yards -- that all of a sudden Steven Threet was in rhythm and their confidence was building. So at that point, the Wisconsin has to find an answer -- just to keep the defense off the field, if nothing else. I'm not saying you have to find a scoring answer there, but you have to make sure you run some clock and you move the chains and you alter field position. They weren't able to do it.

Again, it comes down to some third downs where they weren't very good. If you look at the Fresno State game, they were like 1 of 8 on third-down conversions and I'm not sure what they finished here today (6-for-19), but it wasn't very good until the very end on those two final possession.

Q. Mike, e-mailer Shap thought the Badgers were far too conservative offensively for his liking.  What did you think?

A. You don't want to make excuses for anybody, but they were down three receivers. They started the game without Travis Beckum. They started the game without Garrett Graham. Their two top receivers. Their two top tight ends. And they were playing without (wide receiver) Maurice Moore, who had a pretty good game at Fresno State.

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Last Reply: 9/29/2008 11:35 AM
Ask Lucas: Wisconsin at Michigan
(9/29/2008 11:35 AM)
Ryan says:
Pat Killingsworth, your argument makes no sense. If nobody thought we were going to beat Ohio State and/or Penn State, and we already lost to Michigan, how do we end up 5-1?? Most likely 3-3!
(9/29/2008 11:33 AM)
Ryan says:
I think our coaches let our team down. The second half they were content to run PJ up the middle every play, then we would get to 3rd down, and have a long pass play. For one, I would rather see Clay or Brown in there as they can break it for more then 1-3 yards a carry. But how about some short passes, screens, etc on first down, instead of a run up the gut every play??
(9/29/2008 9:33 AM)
Har says:
In two consecutive games it seems that the QB could have benefitted from some time to gather his focus or get over some cramping...we have capable back up players and I fail to see why we don't use them....
(9/28/2008 9:03 PM)
Madison says:
I remember reading an article about how well "conditioned" our players would be from running up and down Bascom Hill. What a joke. Michigan players man-handled us and were clearly far superior conditioning wise. We've got the best athletic facilities in the Big Ten with Millions of dollars in donor money yet continue not to see results on the field. Maybe our conditioning staff should travel to Ann Arbor and take notes. These players folded like cards.
(9/28/2008 6:26 PM)
Pat Killingsworth says:
Take a deep breath everyone! This loss really hurts, but doesn't anyone else think that our guys can learn from this? Were we really going to beat Ohio State, Penn State and go 6-0? Anyone who knows the Big Ten and any Badger fan would be happy with 5-1 and we can still get there! This loss reminded me of Cincy game our last Rose Bowl year when we came back to win only to have TD overturned because someone jumped on the line. Way to fight back guys!
(9/28/2008 5:42 PM)
James in Keno says:
Jon Callaway asks ...
"... how big do you think the "roughing the passer" penalty against UW was ..."

IMO the answer is "potentially HUGE".

My frustration has been searching articles and blogs looking for any discussion of the call, because via ABC, were never saw a replay that would verify whether the flag was warranted. Paul Macguire was babbling about the pass coverage, and when the flag finally fell, they tossed in "roughing the passer", almost as an aside; no further comment.

And why the delayed flag on a play right in front of the referee's eyes: this should be a no-brainer either way ... it's not a call he should be "argued into".

If no call, UM punts - and even a Badger 3 and out, should favor UW in field position, and gives back the ball with and 8 and change on the clock still up 12. Instead, Michigan momentum kicks up another gear while the tiring defense is stuck on the field.

Did anybody out here see it? Was it a legit call?
(9/28/2008 5:36 PM)
dkegoblue says:
I was also at the game. The view in Ann Arbor is that Mike Barwis' brutal conditioning program paid off here. We stunk in the first half. The band's halftime show ( based on Ferris Bueller's Day Off) was better than Michigan's first half of football.
Also, give your Badgers some credit. They came back late and almost tied it up.
(9/28/2008 9:04 AM)
Ace says:
Dave from Ann Arbor has many good points. This goes back to prep and coaching. Our offensive line might suck, but why? Who's responsibility is it that they can't pick up the short yards? Our conditioning, play selection, red zone--who is responsible for that? We learned nothing from the non-conference schedule and continued the same mistakes. It will be very ugly if someone responsible for this mess doesn't step up and take some control. Brett Bielma, this means you!
(9/28/2008 8:12 AM)
Dr D says:
I turned on the game in the second half with the Badgers up 19-0. They were driving down the field and had a 3rd and the length of the football to make another first down and keep time winding down in their favor. Whoever called the option to the left play should be fired. It lost about four yds and we were lucky to have the ball to punt after a fumble. Why not just plow the ball ahead, even if you had to q-back sneak it. It was all downhill from that play. The momentum swung to Michigan and Bucky never got it back. This was probably just one of many bad plays in the second half but I think it was the start of the downfall. Good luck Bucky--you'll need it this season. They say defense will win games for you--but I think you need some resemblance of an offense which the Badgers are certainly missing.
(9/28/2008 6:05 AM)
SDL says:
As a devout Badger fan, and having watched every type of football for 50 years, I have never seen a team choke this badly in my lifetime. The 2 point play called back at the end is now historic. The Badgers would have won this game if they had made that conversion.

Maybe next year
(9/28/2008 2:55 AM)
Tom says:
Typical Wisconsin team. This game should of been over early, now the season is. Bucky will start out 0-3, and it is down hill from here. When did Ben Sheets suit up as a TE for UW?
(9/28/2008 12:53 AM)
The Stork says:
Predictable play-calling worked against Wisconsin's non-conference opponents, but this was a tough Michigan Defense.

Madison - I certainly don't think "this season is done". I still think we're a top-25 team. Penn State and Ohio State both have to visit Camp Randall, which is an advantage for the Badgers. And by your figuring, Wisconsin losing to Ohio State, Penn State, Illinois, Iowa, and Michigan State to leave Wisconsin 2-6 in the Big Ten just won't happen. The way we played in the second half will not ensure mediocrity for an entire season.
(9/28/2008 12:18 AM)
Todd says:
I agree with Dave from Ann Arbor,

The Badger "D" is spectacular but the offense is a joke. No passing game, the O-line is big but they suck (can't pick up short yardage first downs) and the play calling is as predictible as death and taxes.
(9/27/2008 9:15 PM)
Madison says:
Your glass is half-full approach is nice Bucky but it's over and we all know it. Best case scenario we end up in the Capital One/Outback bowl yet again. HD was being sarcastic I'm sure, but the truth is we are not worthy of a top 25 ranking. We don't have anything left to play for this year except to determine if were gonna get beat by an SEC team in the Outback or Capital One bowl. The Big Ten title is already lost because Penn State or Ohio State is going to go undefeated. And the Rose Bowl is gone because if anyone thinks were gonna win vs Illinois, at Iowa or at Michigan State after the way we played today then they're just fooling themselves. This season is done.
(9/27/2008 9:07 PM)
Dave From Ann Arbor says:
I attended the game today and think that Wisconsin's defense is everything it was cracked up to be. They're fast and they knew where the ball was most of the afternoon. Their offense on the other hand leaves a lot to be desired. Four FG's? Sorry, but that ain't gonna hack it. As to whether Michigan is inferior? Check the score. However, the key, the absolute key has to be the Michigan defenses conditioning. They were on the field for most of the first half but were still able to bring it most of the time in the second half. Your touchdown at the end of the game was the exception. Michigan won't win the Big 10 this year, but I wouldn't mind seeing Wisconsin win it. Hang in there. A tough loss, but they'll come back.
(9/27/2008 9:05 PM)
BuckyBadgers says:
HD Dont be so stupid..Wisconsin will NOT drop out of the Top25, Anyone who thinks so is an idiot.

SOUTHERN CAL Lost @Oregon State
FLORIDA Lost at home against Ole Miss.
Wisconsin is not the laughing stock
Still have 8 games left..Illinois, Penn State, Ohio State all at home..The season is not over!!
On Wisconsin!!!!!
(9/27/2008 8:29 PM)
HD says:
For weeks the media is in love with anyone in the Big Ten except the badgers.
Now we know why!
as a badger fan this one hurt bad
The badgers have made fools of themselves, didn't deserve to win with their cocky second half attitudes
and in the process made themselves the laughing stock of college football across the country

I'll bet they drop out of the top 25...it's well deserved
(9/27/2008 8:17 PM)
Barry Kopff says:
Mike,

How could we lose to an inferior Michigan team? Why did our Badgers choke? How could a team lose after racking up a 19-0 deficit?
(9/27/2008 7:40 PM)
Tim Hecker says:
LOL! That was the funniest loss I've ever seen. Thanks for making my Saturday.
(9/27/2008 7:32 PM)
Jon Callaway says:
No game turns on a single play, and there were plenty of critical plays in this game, but how big do you think the "roughing the passer" penalty against UW was in the second half to keep the Michigan drive alive when it was 19-7 UW?
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